These days the youths of Apatani are unable to communicate with their own parents in our own language. Who is responsible for this embarassing situation? Whom to blame Parents or the youth themselves? Is speaking in national and international languages a sure shot sign progress of our community in education? Is it not like leaving an oasis dry after quenching ourselves and proceeding to a highly polluted pond in search of water for our future generation? Please analyse critically and offer your comments.
Millo Tago,
Karnataka
Hi Aku !!
ReplyDeleteNice to see you here and welcome to the world of blog.
LANGUAGE BARRIER..... good topic,many have raised this question(in orkut forum or blogs) and discussed it but i did seen fruitful/ perfect analyse on this.
Will soon comment on this if time permits.
Once again, keep your blog updated.
Aanu, Thanks. Main responsible for not having tought our own language to our wards is our colleague parents themselve. Many parents feel happy when their wards speak hindi or english. It is good, but what if in the process they entirely forget their own language? Can our child put same degree of interest to learn our apatani language as they had done so for other language? It is only our fellow parents should know.
ReplyDeleteHi
ReplyDeleteThought I will share something of earlier discussions on the subject that you have brought up.
Our youngsters are quite aware of the problems they face with their inability to speak in their mother tongue. One of the most vigorous discussion that took place in the apatani blogosphere was started by an apatani young girl with a subject “What If …..”. She meant what if Apatani language was lost forever. It sounded so melancholy like a deep sea monster sounding fot its partners who have vanished from the face of earth millions of years back. I am posting verbatim transcription of discussion that took place in one of orkut forum. Please go through each comment and each word. So many minds have contributed to this discussion. This discussion which started on 18th July 2008 was concluded b Dinsung on 12th Februarry 2009.
But please develop on the discussion from your point of view.
RiJa
WHAT IF....!!
hey guys... did u ever imagine wat if our languge is lost forever. look at our younger gen n few of our own gen...many of us dont know n dont even try speaking in apatani. isn't it a shame not knowing our own mother tongue?? slowly we're gonna lose our languge... i think it's a crucial matter..really. ppl i want to hear ur opinion too.
A Dead Man
Cheer up!!
Don't worry......as our fore parents believed our parents like as our parents believe us and so we hav to believe our next generations. Have faith n stay cool........ders nothing to worry about.
Dis... my opinion/////
t-rex
i feel there s not much to worry. with maturity, sense of responsibility towards ones society comes in mind. i mean... teenagers r more drawn towards glitters of the world. but as time passes they come back to their root. and for me BETTER LATE THAN NEVER holds good in this regard.
RiJa
Cool...!! i'm chilled..
RiJa
i'm with u BMW n 'ss'... Guess wat, hindi has become so much of a family language dat few close elderly relatives of mine speak to me in hindi n wen i reply back in apatani, they r shocked!! n ask me "arey, tanii luchin siidu po...?"haha..its jst ridiculous smtimes.. i bet ppl frm other tribe knw their mother tongue better than us Apatanis...
Continued…….
ReplyDeletedinsung
i agree...
it is quite shameful actually....
the fact that today's generation do not know their mother tongue, a number of factors may be responsible:
1. first of all the MTV culture or rather the idiot box as a whole... we look at the fancy pictures and want to imitate the same. want to be like the actors, the actresses, hence we want to talk like them too.
2. the parents themselves think it is cool to talk in hindi. they think it is a matter of status and symbol of being well-off if their children converse in hindi.
3. the residential system- most of the kids in arunachal are in the VKVs and other such insitutions wher the students among themselves interact in hindi. when they go back home, they find it odd talkin in their mother tongue and resort to hindi as the medium of conversation.
problem areas:
the hindi that the ppl there speak is also not gramatically correct. speaking the same hindi that is spoken in the state elsewer would invoke rather ugly glances and also ridicule at not knowing the national language well enough.
the sad part is dat ppl don't even know english well!!!! tch! tch!
arguments:
wen i was chattin wid one of the apatanis... he told me dat this trend is happening because of the large number of tribes residing in the state and hindi being one language everyone speaks!!!
i find this argument completely ridiulous and baseles... it is no justification to state that u do not know ur mother tongue coz u are making an attempt to communicate with the other tribes....!
i say, u need not give up on ur mother tongue, u can always balance the two. we are the carriers of our culture and if we go on like this, we are digging our own grave....
we are losing our identity. we cannot go around wearing apatani clothes... but we can atleast know the language and prove dat we are apatanis....
i think ppl shud be ashamed to declare dat dey do no know apatani...
wAyNE_
Me was in boardinz since class one.... So no apatani genius i m.... Buh i do converse in tanii weneva i visit ziro... Itz like learnin abc afta ye grown.......
wAyNE_
He he h... Itz kewl ta tok in tanii... Buh itz hard fo us hu hav spoken hindi s kids.......
RiJa
hi Wayne... nice to knw dat u r atleast trying. keep it up k. Dinsung, thanks for d points u have clearly laid out. yes its really a matter of balance... talk to apatanis in apatani and hindi to other tribes, n you know both the languages..cool!
dinsung
a moot point...
THANK U BMW AND RIJ!!!!!!!!!!! :)
it may be highly contended dat ppl outside ziro do not know apatani,,,
this i am saying by experience. the fact dat u are staying out o our state does not justify ur lack of knowledge of apatani.
i ve been living in karnataka since i was 6 yrs old and i know apatani....! can speak very well.... [chucking modesty out o da window!!! :)]
my parents are responsible for it... even in karnataka i was in a residential school all my life, and karnataka is one of last places to expect a fellow apatani speaking ppl ..... the chances are 1 in 80,000. ther was no apatani in my school. only me and my siblings. [it is also interesting to me and others also dat, we, the siblings amongst ourselves speak in english while we converse with our parents in apatani!!!]
but, dat is beside the point. the point is dat the parents are wholly responsible. also the blame can be given to the youth who are not so enthusiastic abt the same.
...Continued....
RiJa
ReplyDeleteLets do it.
ppl, we've been talkin a lot abt not knowing our language...n its useless until we put it into practice. we ought to be practical right?? I myself dont know sm words in apatani...i hope u guys could help me out. So, lets try translating english sentences into apatani. k, can sm one tell me how to say "i'm sorry"?
RiJa
Lets do it.
ppl, we've been talkin a lot abt not knowing our language...n its useless until we put it into practice. we ought to be practical right?? I myself dont know sm words in apatani...i hope u guys could help me out. So, lets try translating english sentences into apatani. k, can sm one tell me how to say "i'm sorry"?
RiJa
Hi Tassr, i really want to know dat word man... n i want to know more. hey, dont u think Apatani songs should be rap type?? cos i've heard d priests n it jst sounds beautiful to me...so rich in language. ok, if anyone can tell me d "SORRY" word in apatani, i'd be thankful.
wAyNE_
Newayz.... Speakin in one's local tongue z pretty kewl. . . .
dani
ReplyDeleteHI DINSUNG
Nice to hear about your family's endeavour to keep apatani language alive and thriving. I agree with wat you have said. Even as I was growing, I was initially proud of speaking hindi and english i.e during school days. But as I entered my college life, I started appreciating the need of apatanis to speak in own dialect and started propogating my idea where ever I went.
I started attending meetings of apatani people who were fighting to keep apatani language alive. These meetings were usualy conducted in hotels and guest houses in Hapoli and Ziro in a lavish manner.
These meetings left me totally disillusioned and frustrated and also the myopic view of so called officers and elites of Apatani society baffled me beyond my words. Money and time was spent lavishly and everyone spoke about the importance of preserving our language, but each of them DIDNOT SPEAK APATANI TO THEIR OWN CHILDREN. These senior officers and other elites were preaching the gospel of importance of speaking in Apatani language to others and themselves were speaking in hindi at home. Some of them were donating lavishly and writing books, both literature and text books, for apatani language, but they wouldnt be speaking in Apatani to their own children. This was hypocrisy of the highest order.
Continued..... next post ....
dani
Continued ........
When asked how come their children cant speak Apatani, there was a readymade answer saying that since they are with bonties( bonties are maids from plains which are unique luxury to apatanis in general), children cant speak in Apatani. Than after five minutes or so if we comment in an appreciative manner, praising how their maid had picked up perfect apatani, they would take in the praise and boast that the maid has been with them, for last one year or so, therefor they have picked up Apatani. This was a great joke ..... atleast to me. Your own children cant speak apatani because of that maid, and that very maid can converse in apatani fluently within a year or so. How come... How come.
Well, when I had my own children, I decided to converse in Apatani only with them. I just wanted to contribute to the preservation of apatani language by keeping family conversation in apatani. I have three children, and most of the time l we live outside Arunachal with usual paraphernilias of servent and maids but we have been able to keep our language intact in our family talks.
I also have a apatani doctor family friend with two lovely daughters in New Delhi. I can vouch that these two lovely girls also speak perfect apatani. So, it is little bit of parental care that is needed to encourage their own children to speak in own language. This is true of other tribes like Nishi, Tagin, Hilmirirs, Tangsa. Nocte, Idu etc. Encouraging owns language should not be misunderstood as discouraging other language. Importance of knowing other language cannot be undermined especially english and hindi.
dani
To keep abreast of apatani language and tradition, visit NPR's Blogg.... http://savetanii.blogspot.com/ . This is an attempt by one of apatani young girls like you to preserve apatani language, culture and tradition.
As regards to word SORRY .... I think there is no synonym in apatani. But put your query in above blog, someone might come up with right word.
Another lovely blogg is http://friends-of-ziro.blogspot.com/
t-rex
ReplyDeletea memorable incident
during one of my summer break i had to go to ziro... it was raining every now n then in ziro... one fine morning i went to meet my uncle, without an umbrella. infact i forgt to carry an umbrella. i spent about half an hour there, listening to their conversations.(m a good listener). i had a good time. but as i ws abt to go back, it started raining.
i turned to my aunty and said " NII SATI KOY BIPEH". on hearing this evry one in the room laughed like hell. i was confused. i thought, may be i had cracked some 1st class joke that had made them laugh like dat. but no, there ws somethin else. i gave a confused look to my cousin sister, who ws equally enjoyin the scene i hd created. at last after she had a good laugh, she told me dat KOY is used for PAKA n all, not for an umbrella and dats why they were laughin. for a moment i ws all red and blue. i felt so stupid. but thn it felt so funny to me, i coudnt stop laughn at myself. all along the road, in a heavy downpour, i ws laughin like a mad man, alone. and even today when i think of dat incident, i cant help myself from laughing.
hey guys m not dat good in our language... i mean, i can understand and speak well. but not as well as those who r from ziro. the lines of our tanii songs are so abstract for me, dat i cant translate it. but i dont feel sorry for dat. someday or other m going to settle down in ziro n every thing will be alright.
dinsung
THANK YOU "BMW'!!! am very humbled...
going as far as understanding and translating the words of apatani songs goes.... even i draw a zilch there... my dad writes songs [which have been coonverted to casettes, videos, movies etc.] and feel kinda weird not knowing and understanding the lyrics... but someday i hope to convert all of the songs he wrote and covert them into english...!
my dad and i are also planning to have all the customs and rituals of the apatani tribe codified. we also plan to convert, or atleast have in writing all the 'hymns/ recitations' by 'nyibus'.
i was rather interested in all this and also came face-to-face with my lack of the knowledge of the same and also the lack of material on the same... while i was doing my projects on family law and also on sociology on our "tribals customs-a critical study" and also "the apatani society-a sociological unit" respectively.... hence the whole writing down information thing...
i request all of u conscienous ppl out there to join this project and if u come across any books or web sites on apatani to pass it on to me...
i think it is high time we created a data base of all the books and information on apatanis...
better the future.... by understanding better the past...
dinsung
the 'bonti' trend...
yes.. .this is one thing i have also noticed in arnachall....
the whole idea of 'bonti' being able to talk in apatani and basking in its glory....
while the children barely understand a word of apatani and showing em off wid pride saying "hostel ading dala... ajing atan agye ho hindi ading lusula... tanii agung emma he tare luchinma...."
this whole two-face attitude doesn't go dwn wid me right.....
thanks 'dani' for this in-sight....
WHY SO SERIOUS
ReplyDeletenice ancedote
it was pretty funny one..
they were rt khoy should be with plates.....
better try 2 learn more of ur mother tongue...every apatani needs 2 know his/her language... its the proudest thing dat u can do 2 preserve ur culture..
S
The other side-1
I belong to a generation when knowing to speak and write Assamese, Hindi or English in that order was considered a person of superior intellectual. The ignorant ones would look in awe, with mouths wide open while the literate ones would belt out encrypted words from piece of paper.
It was a time when knowing Tanii was taken for granted. All roads led to Assamese, Hindi and English - preferably the last. Children from birth were encouraged to, well in some case forced to speak in language other then his or her's. Even names were adapted from this languages and lovingly given to ones's child. Mastering them was considered sort of penicillin for the emancipation of our cummunity from the bondage of illiteracy and underdevelopment. This trend must have went on for well over four decades.
Today, to an extend I think the cummunity has achieved what it had sought after by the way of having knowlegde of this language. In other words knowing Assamese, Hindi or English has paid of.That is why may be we are able to have this debate - though we may be miles apart. The encouragement, no, the forcefull hammering down of this alien sounds in our little grey cells has been fruitfull. We should be gratefull to our grand parents, who though could not fathom the strange sounding words and illegible lines had the farsightedness to see the advantage of education. Remember ! they were not so enlighten as we are, their daily world for centuries were the enclosed valley of Ziro. (Contd/- next post)
S
The other side-2
I am forced to say this, because everybody here sounds self-righteous to the point of being indignent (like being sarcastic of the elites effort to reverse the trend). The result of today, of majority of our children not knowing their own language is not due to any conscious effort of any one. Rather it was a necessary collateral damage and it took decades to fructify. Can we imagine our society acquiring the versatility it has today without English. Everything has a price and so be it, if it leads to overall development of our community its education, mental make-up and curiosity to look ahead.
Having said so, if you have realised the mistake of learning other languages and forgetting your own ( even this realisation being spured by your knowledge of very languages you are lampooning), try corrective measure. However it may take a himalayan effort to change overnight.
For my part I am trying to make my youngest son speak Tanii, but the process is slow and tedious, it has become a role reversal for me. Wish me luck! lol!
WHY SO SERIOUS
ReplyDeletemr parent dats good of u teach ur young son our sweet language,, hopefully he learns it pretty good..
so 2 say its nice if u know english hindi, etc cos modernisation.. but the point is it is hell shameful if someone forgets his own mother tongue..
t-rex
mr. S did a good job. he presented his views with deliberation. and i agree with him..... but for these alien languages, our soceity would not hv attained the status n respect its enjoying today in our state. our elders were brave n wise to encourage learning of these languages. they were futuristic. this odyssey began couple of decades back and its still going on. and i feel it should continue till all of our men n women can decipher these alien languages with ease. but not at the cost of our language.
lets not be cynical about this. our language isnt dying. mordern education hv given us enough knowledge to survive in this world, at the same time it has taught us to respect and appreciate our own culture. and thats what we r doing here in this forum. trying to preserve our language.
this process of preservation of our language hv begun years back. all the important narrations by eldest of our soceity hv been recorded. proceedings of various meetings are being recorded, so dat intresting n important phrases n words used by the elders r not lost n can be learned. this process of recording s still going on. just like we feel the necessity to preserve our language today, our younger generation will also feel the same when they r educated well enough.
t-rex
if we consider the geo-political situation of that period, our only portal to outer world ws assam. i dont think any one even knew dat china as a country existed to the north of our state(then a union territory). so question of learning chinese s a ridiculous one. english as a language wasnt popular even in assam during dat time. so our father and forefathers had to accept what ws available at that time--- assamese.
moreover, our administration ws franchised to the govrnr of assam. so there ws no other way but to learn assamese.
i dont want to go to forest for hunting n feeding my family, when rest of world s eating genetically engineered food. i dont want my gal to work in fields,all weather, when the rest of world s basking in the sun. i dont want to confine myself to ziro when the rest of the world s tryn to land on MARS. but if our fathers and forefathers hadnt learnt assamese n brought the mordern world to our doorstep, i might hv been hunting in jungle naked with only a piece of cloth covering my pubic region, instead of doing graduation. i dont hasitate to say dat today m basking in THEIR glory not mine. let us not forget dat basically ours is a very primitive soceity. except our culture n traditions whatever we hv today genuinely doesnt belongs to us. its all hired from other civilizations.
we r lucky enough to get direct exposure to english. we didnt hv to learn assamese. but who made this possible and how???
during my 2ndry education, i gv damn care to our language. but now i know n feel its necessity.... i feel others will feel the same when the time s ripe for them. lets hope for the BEST.
WHY SO SERIOUS
to every apatani on th earth.. let us be proud of ourselves n our language....let us all preserve it 2 infinity..... so spread this awareness 2 each n everyone among us for this cause...
t-rex
ReplyDeleteTalking about other northestrn states, these states hv hardly 3 tribes unlike arunachal where there are more tribes than its districts. People of nagaland speak NAGAMESE(blend of assamese and naga). manipur is famous for their MEITEI language(nothing but amalgam of bengali and assamese). in meghalaya, gora language is spoken in garo hills and khasi in khasi hills. i hv never seen khasi or jyantia speaking in garo or garo in khasi language. likewise, kukis and manipuri nagas dont speak meitei. they hv their own language. lets not talk about tripura, as its fully dominated by bengali. mizos are lost and found tribe--- they claim themselves to be the lost tribe of biblical israel--- pity on them. so, there s no indegenious common language.
in arunachal pradesh nyishi s the most dominant tribe( in terms of population). dat doesnt mean dat we should declare nyishi as our state language and start learnign it. atleast i dont agree with this.
again i say their(other ne states) identity which is boasted by them and praised by some of us, is a FAKE identity in true sense. their identity is jst theoretical. their true identity s found only in museums or in certain pockets of the state where christianity and hinduism hvnt reached yet. But ours s a practical identity and we should be proud of it.
english may be more widespread in these states(except manipr), but they hd to pay for this in the form of their tradition and culture.
lets not blame our ancestors for their migration. Their migration ws, like all other human and animal migration, SURVIVAL INSTINCT DRIVEN.
S
Other side
The point I was trying to make was, what was the root cause ? Most post as per me seems to have missed this important aspect. Case in the point, "Merchant of" seems more concern with our pronunciation of Hindi being resembling to Nepali. My dear friend, fact is, however hard one might try, 99% of Tibeto-Mangoliod lingustic group will never come close to speaking perfect Hindi or for that matter English. He also seems in earnest to cross the Himalaya to learn Chinese instead of Assamese. If he fails to see the beauty of Assamese language which is at hand, near you, I think appreciating Chinese for him will be a long shot (This is beside the point).
"Dinsung" blames MTV Culture, idiot box, resident schools and most of all parents. My dear, as in my earlier post, the process started nearly over four decades back and I got see a DD programe on TV only in 1984 that too because like you, I spent most of my student life outside AP. Blaming parents takes the cake, did anyone of us expect the parents of 60s and 70s not to encourage the learning of Assamese, Hindi or English. And, yes they could not and did not distinguish which was better, Assamese came first, Hindi & English followed. For them, Tanii was matter of birth and rest had to be learned to see and know things which they could not. Also most of us did not have the good fortune of having a parent who knew and could impart knowledge of both. (Condt/- in next post)
S
ReplyDeleteOther side
Picking apart the educated elites of our community for preaching something and doing nothing by "dani" is well taken, but criticizing them for having discourse in modern set-up is bit too harsh; I do not expect them to have delibration of this sort at "moree lampii"?
The moot point is to know the root cause to find cure for any ailment.To embark on reverse engineering we should dissect wholely the problem at hand and attempt prescribing remedy for it, blame game will not do.
As far as I see, dwindling of average speakers of Tanii was caused by those chain of event starting four decades back. Compelling historical, geograpical and demographical reason might have given birth to it. Parents were one but most important agent in the whole process. In the process of remedy, parents will again be the most curcial factor, since there is no systemized way of imparting the spoken language of Tanii up till now. The adhoc cognitive process can only be done in our home, till such time as when we may device a better option.
t-rex
sorry if i didnt get ur point... i jst wanted to emphasize dat we r inferior to non and all other northeastern states are no better. meitei script has been directly taken from bengali script. this s a known fact. and if they boast of it thn i feel sorry for them. it s said dat they had a script of their own before the advent of vaisnavism in manipur. but all its recordings were destroyed after the then manipuri king ws converted to hindu.
its not dat our people are unaware of these issues. developement of tanii lipi is a concrete proof of our concern to hv a common state language. but the socio-political situation of our state doesnt provide any room for this.
our question here s not about having a common state language but to preserve our own language which seemed to be under threat from hindi. Frankly speaking i hvnt met a single tanii who doesnt understand our language. though one may be unable to express himself in tanii language, he understands it. Its good to know dat many of us are taking preventive steps. But i dont feel our language is in red zone because youngsters not speakiing in tanii. I belongd to dat group of youngsters, but i hv changed. So is mr. wyne(my wishes to him).
dani
HI ! S Ha ha ha... imagine having a conference in "morey lampi". If you had read my post correctly which somehow seems to have vanished, I had stated that meeting and conferences are fine, infact we must encourage such meetings. What revolted my young spirit was not practicing what was being preached. Blatant hypocrisy. Though I look at those things differently now. It was a case of young blood. And when I came across this, it reminded me of my younger days.
But conference in MOREY LAMPI .......... it beats everything else. Next winter when the society I am a member of, decide to hold conference, I will propose some MOREY LAMPII for a change. On many occassions we decided to have our conference at Tilley Valley, but has not been able to materialize.
Well I am moving out of topic.
t-rex
ReplyDeleteNow someone hv got me wrong!!! I never creditted assamese as a sole solution for our languages survival. I jst said dat assamese ws the only option left to our forefathers which could expose them to mordern world.
someone here is very persistent in his view dat our forefathers could hv developed a script, instead of going down to the plains to learn assamese. Well let me ask one question... how old is our soceity???? hardly 2 centuries old. And it took thousands of years for the ancient civilizations to develope a scripted language. Moreover our forefathers mentality wasnt like ours. They were jst simple Farmer-cum-hunters. And it would be ridiculous to expect farmers and hunters to give up their daily bread and start researching for scripting their language.
I cant imagine our soceity without modernization. And i dont think modernization in our soceity could hv been brought about by our low profile language. Yes.. you heard me right---LOW PROFILE. My apologies for speaking so bluntly. But the truth cant be denied and it hurts sometimes. There s so many loop-holes in our language. Miss Rija's querry is still unanswered. Why???... Because there s no word or sentence in our language saying I AM SORRY. If a language doesnt hv a word for "i am sorry", how would anyone expect it to explain complicated terms of science and commerce. M hurting my own ego by saying so. But i m compelled to say so to explain some people dat its not as simple as it looks.
WHY SO SERIOUS
so the Blame Game has begun again.............carry on my dear fellas...
RiJa
Hi Dr. Riku
i guess Dr. Riku s right regarding d simple words or expressions dat we dont really have in our language. n i think dat's why our people compensated those blanks with hindi n assamese or english words these days.. well, is there an apatani dictionary?? i'd like to know.
WHY SO SERIOUS
leaving behind all the facts n history ... a person who knows assamese, malayalam, apatani , galo, english n hindi has definetly advantage over one knowing only mizo...
so fellas french, german, n mandarin don't forget...
mary
"hindi speakin people from our community sounds & resembles nepali"
m nt sure wt do u wnt 2 imply wit these words. is it the facial features & accent u r talkin abt?
...m being called kanchi all the time..so i guess i do resemble nepali...lol !
..oh well, m 1 of those people u r all discusin abt.
m sure i wsn't familiar wit mtv until my 6th std & by then i hd learned nt 2 speak tanii.
as 4 the parents thinkin nt speaking apatani is a matter of social status...m nt sure....i think evry parents of such children r embarassed 4 thier kids.
although u r rt abt the residential system...we were punished if we spoke nythin othr thn english...
nt being bl 2 speak my mother tongue is demoralizing.
i dnt knw hw it strtd....i guess my parents r unknown 2 the reason as well.... but 1 thing we knw...it ws nt designed or premeditated..
m nt here 4 self-justification...its jst sad 2 see ourslvs is such low conviction..lol
@RiJ@...i hv ths apatani dic published by Central gyuth welfare association...bt somehow its nt in the market anymore. no idea if there r others....mybe some1 wit more knowledge cn help u.
t-rex
ReplyDeleteHi Rija
oh! come on.... i never put assamese in zenith. you need to read posts properly. i jst wanted to say dat our forefathers used assamese as a STEPING STONE to mordernization. i feel like hitting around bush. what m trying to say s not perceived by others. May be m not good at expressing myself in english either.
t-rex
callin me bahadur or tapa
i never hasitated to fight bck at such comment... Now nobody tags me with such names in my college campus and surrounding areas... i feel its a kind of IDENTITY AND CHARACTER ASSASINATION... we cant help those who r ignorent/unaware of geography. But we should resist to those who r literate.
I feel its better to get punched than hv my identity and character assasinated.(my personnel view)
WHY SO SERIOUS
good for u... tell ur freinds as well 2 perfect themselves in hindi ...
dinsung
egg-jack-lee!!
i agree wid 'don quixote'
this "discussion" is taking ugly turns... which are best left untouched.
t-rex
whatever... m happy dat there are people who do care for our society... Fellows! lets not loose the momentum and keep the spirit high!
WHY SO SERIOUS
conclusion:::: apatanis wid no tanii aguung is a matter of pride... hail them...
dinsung
am sorry..
am sorry.... but the conclusion is clearly:
apatanis who do not know tanii aguung is NOT a matter of pride...
ppl are just differing on the reasons behind this trend.!!!!
[atleast the majority]!!
Tyler
Ha ha. Nii piigo mina nusu khansu nyadunii? Tanii agung piigo masu ha? Hila koda, niimpana halayang agung ho nunu lurii-kenya dunii?
Ngiika pet name "Hangu Lemba ka Chamakta Sitara". Ta ta, bye bye!
WHY SO SERIOUS
ReplyDelete"chamkta sitara "tanii aguun siipya........
Tyler
Ajingbo ho, halyang agung pet name ngiimi prestige iche biking do la cho ngo hengkala.
RiJa
jije paje, ngunu tanii pa lusu do kora aya yaking doke aa. ngo tanii abu luchin masu hojalo luka siidu cho aa :-)
the Luchador
Aro pacho tanii agun ho lurii siiko pa. Hojalopa keju mi hangii miila diima ka ah. lol. malo-kalo punyu aya atan helin nyanto kiilo!!!
the Luchador
i was saying that if we ve our own script then thing will be different.
WHY SO SERIOUS
ya ya ya.. rt had our ancestors got more time they could have developed a script of their own.. wat do u tink fellas..
2 me writnig down tanii dialect in English is the most tedious job,,,. tanii agung ho kenag lala tare kena maa... lol..
Tyler
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Taní agü ho kênánì iche rengë dòkula, Lalí-Yalu ka agü ho kêjatàlý ke ah.
Alright, now that was tiring. What I mean to say is, why reinvent the wheel? On top of that, that wheel seems to run in a manner quite unlike of wheels, along with it's obvious inconveniences.
Foreign languages are doing pretty good with those accents (the Wiki links). Nearer home, Nagas and Mizos already do the same with great success. I don't see why we couldn't adopt it too.
I bet the thing I wrote above made more sense while reading compared to something like "Tanii agung ho kenan iche renge dokula, Laling-Yalu ka agung ho kejatalyi ke ah" -- even if you are reading it in this format for the first time. Tani Lipi probably will look like Kannada to you.
Now, I am no linguist or a semiotician, I used those accents randomly based on my "feeling". Probably some expert could come up with a standard. Don't you think something like that would be quite cool? If you try coming up with a standard, you better be good.
PS: Respect to Toni Koyu for coming up with something creative. But I guess the available options are more feasible. Then again, that's my personal opinion.
dinsung
ReplyDeleteif i am not mistaken, there is a rudimentary script for tanii agung....
seen a booklet sort o thing which was sent over to ma dad for feedbacks on the same.
the script seemed quite tedious...
it was simple adaptation of english but wid different symbols to show emphasis on certain letters etc to shw a change in pronunciation. [like spanish or french]....
WHY SO SERIOUS
spanish dat sounds gr8
dinsung
yes, it does sound great.
my dad's generation were and still are very driven and very motivated and inspired to change the face of apatanis today and tomorrow.
they were the ones who were against the tattooing and nose piercing practised in ancient times.
the initiative on coming up wid a script was one of the many innovative ideas they came wid and worked on them too!!!!
i think we need to do the same.
the script aforementioned is rather in a primitive stage. needs a lot of working upon...
i wonder wat happend to it.........
tasSer
happy independence day
getting rid of tattooing and nose piercing is the greatest thing ever to have happened to apatani society. you might argue this was inevitable in the wake of modernity.. but the same was accomplished at a time when majority of the population were still illiterates.
on a lighter note,
having kept the brave guys at bay for such a long time, a tactic cunningly devised by the chicken-hearted apatani male populace, it's no wonder, with the liberation, girls preferred to mate the stronger lot. apatani men perturbed by the trend themselves chose to bring girls from other places. that's how, today, in year 2050, you can no longer identify an apatani by his face. the dialect was long lost since apatani's didn't have a script and the only way to tell if a person is an apatani is .....
sorry to mess up two topics at one place. i couldn't think of a suitable end to the story. can anyone come up with something?
WHY SO SERIOUS
wat was dat.., i thought i read something....
t-rex
If u mean dat other tribes men are stronger or braver than us, then m sorry my frn, u r absolutely wrong. I dont know in what basis u r talking like this. A man, backed by hundred other men, tormenting another single man... If u term this BRAVERY OR STRONGER, than u r wrong. Rather, i would say they r COWARDS OR BARBARIANS.
i hv witnessed incidents where ur so called brave-hearts were fleeing the scene while their frn ws being tormented by 15-20 guys... but there ws this tanii boy who didnt cared for himself and plunged in.. jst to depend the person whom he called his frn.
DONT THINK THAT WE AINT GOT ANY BALLS... we all hv got GUTS to do anything that can possibly be done by a human beings... only thing is WHEN TO DO AND HOW TO DO.
t-rex
ReplyDeleteregarding 2050, m telling u our language s not dying out by then... we r going to live and witness dat by ourselves.
tasSer
holy shit.
i was jest trying to be too clever.
dinsung
in defense of tassr @ dr. riku
tassr clearly meant it as an HYPOTHETICAL SITUATION.
more like... an open ending story and you finish it as you like it.
probably we all would be largely benefitted if the members did not take an offensive stand without clarifying the other's position.
t-rex
@dinsung
I AM SORRY if it hurt u... But i wsnt OFFENSIVE. I ws all defensive. his post is not an open story. He messed two FORUM TOPICS in a single post. N he did dat meticulously.
dinsung
@ dr riku
no it did nt hurt me....
ws just trying to moderate the thread.
i don't think der is any harm in mixing two forum topics into one.
plus, wat for wer u taking a defensive stand???
t-rex
@dinsung
Ours s not a gargantuan tribe but dat doesnt mean dat some one should treat us like a diminutive one... what i mean is, calling tanii menfolk a coward and all praise for other tribes tends to hurt my ego. And so i ws defending our(tanii men's) selfrespect, our valor.
Regarding 2050, i ws defending my stand on the motion dat our language isnt dying whether its 2050 or 5020. The only possibility for our language to go in extinction s if our community s completely wiped out of this world by some natural or artificial catastrophe.
dinsung
so... it all boils down to ego eh???
not surprised.....
plus, how can u not say that our language is dying......???
for of all, u are submitting ur responses in a forum to discuss why many of us are not speaking in apatani.... if this is not a desperate attempt to find the root cause of hte same... i dun see wat else would be considered "dying art".
plus, y do u think we may not be extinct???? all i am saying is dat anything is possible. also, i reiterate.........
IT WAS A HYPOTHETICAL SITUATION .....
how can someone be sooo "extreme" about something dat they cannot even digest a hypothetical situation....
and i personally think it was a very good situation he put fwd......
it MIGHT just happen!!!!!
t-rex
ReplyDeleteboth u and me and all other members of this community are going to live dat long.. i mean till 2050. I know i wont let my language die as long as i live. I wont leave any stone unturned to mke it survive, at my personel level, if not in community level.... And watching so many enthusiastic and courageous ppl of our society in this tani community, I guarantee u dat, our language isnt dying. It will come through all odds.
dinsung
@ dr. riku-good fr u!!!
well... it is gr8, totally, absolutely, soaring up to the sky kinda gr8 to hear dat u wouldn't let our language die.... good fr u! and good fr all of us too!!!
we all need to hope, for it is the only thing dat keeps us going. or we could always rely on ppl like u to fight for the cause.... am not contending dat.
i also sincerely wish and HOPE [dat word again...] dat wat u guarantee me will come true.
but i just can't help but putting forth this thought.... A THOUGHT... dat we might... just might.... actually not live till 2050 and also dat the next generation may.. probably.. just think it is not worth knowing apatani......
i think u need to acknowledge the fact that the above may happen........
t-rex
hypothetical situation
The above mentioned situation s an impossibility for me... If we examine it RADICALLY. Hypothetical s different from impossibility.... hypothetical can be possible theoretically, if not practically. But impossibility is just IMPOSSIBLE... theoretically or practically.
Our language dying by 2050 s an impossibility. If the year ws 5020 then it would be possible and i would call it hypothetical.
2050 is jst in our doorstep... 4 DECADES.. thats all it will take us to reach there. N i dont think our language s dying out in jst 40 years.
t-rex
All of a sudden a comet wont fall down upon us(tanii platue)... All of a sudden an epidemic or pandemic wont break out in our land.. all of sudden, we wont be NUKED by the nuclear powered countries... so there s no question of our extinction... that too in just 40 years.
t-rex
And let me tell u dat WE R NOT ALONE in this struggle for surviving our language... There r so many volunteers promoting it. WE r just a bunch of IDEALIST (in true sense)... real struggle is going on somewhere else.
dinsung
god!!!
how do i make u understand??????!!!!
u are not getting my point... i am reiterating again........
it was all speculative....
i dun even see the pt in continuing this so-called 'debate' [wondering how it is a debate wen the other party clearly does not want to expand the horizons of his mind...]
anyways, i am probs wid ur statement.. <"hypothetical can be possible theoretically, if not practically.">
hypothetical situations can be a reality... practicality... later on.... U NEVER KNOW.
plus, 4 decades is a long.... long... REALLY LONG time..... anyting can happen!!!!!
if u want to hold on the the notion dat the language won't die, fine, so be it. we need atleast someone wid a positive outlook here.
again... [fr the umpteenth time...] it just might happen dat the language could die.... unless we make a more serious effort to use it everyday.... along wid other alternate and corraborative methods....
dinsung
ReplyDeleteneed an intervention.. or interventions...
i think am getting an overdose of the same stale theory put forth by the highly educated dr. riku...
the discussion, i fear is taking a completely turn and going towards a completely different tangent altogether.....
i think it is high time the rest of the community gave their opinions... and save me [atleast, no idea abt the knowledgeable dr. riku ] frm this stale and nauseatingly repetitive points of contention........
[fr the record, i still think dr. riku needs to understand dat it might just happen dat the language may die and we need to do something abt it. probably the work done by volunteers (God bless their souls) might not be enough]
t-rex
Yes, I feel i hv stretched it a bit far... But my STAND in this topic s solid... our language isnt dying.
dinsung
and i strongly stand by the opposite view.......
apatani language might die.
@dinsung
tanii language might die.,. i guess it simply means all da apatani's are speaking hardcore hinglish... or entire apatani people have been wiped off.. n no single soul remaining..
n the possibility of happening dat is how much do u think...
as long as apatani's survive anne abba , barm baro, heru hempyo will remain... n the statement dat 2050 tanii language died long time as they had no script of their own... the very existence of these dialects tanii, nishing etc witout a script contradicts this hypothesis.. beside languages wid script of their own has been known to have pdinsung
@ "y so serious"
exactly!!! exactly my point!!!! der are chances of it happening!
thanks you!
erished...
t-rex
Our language dying by 2050 is Just INDIGESTABLE.
The probability of its survival is very high, say 99% and dat makes me sticks to it.
Situated in active seismic zone, earthquake of higher Richter scale s the only threat. But again,,, our Housing design s said to be earthquake resistant... SO UR STAND SEEMS VERY SHAKY.
t-rex
regarding "language with script perishing"
Either the civilization using it perished, or it has given way to new language(new version of old language).
dani
As per various linguistic survey, every year scores of language die across the globe, never to be spoken again. Its not only the language, even the whole tribe vanishes when faced with much more civilized and influential people.
Even in Apatani language we keep loosing colloquial usage of many words. No, doubt that in a common apatani house hold many of the apatani words are giving way to hindi. One may walk across any of the apatani household, especially in capital complex and Hapoli Ziro township and find children talking in hindi and not able to comprehend ver common apatani words like aba, anney. etc. They identify these simple words with older people with tattoo marks. Language and even whole tribes do not disappear in one clean sweep, but fade away into the dark recess of civilization if not nurtured properly.
dinsung
ReplyDeletefirst of all... u are assuming dat apatani tribe won't perish unless der is an earth quake??i mean, seriously?
next, u are saying we won't die by an earth quake because our houses are 'supposedly' earth-quake resistant???
wat abt man-made disasters????
ps: sorry was not active all this while.... had ma exams....
t-rex
what type of man made disasters u r talking of??? I dont see any potent man made disaster so high in magnitude to threaten 60K people... jst name me some...
kago
WHAT IF . . . ?
Did I hear earthquake, perish, man-made disaster, seismic . . ? Eh !
Lets use tanii agung as long as we live, and let it die when we (Tanii) die.
t-rex
@dani
yes there s no denying ur summed up facts... but the question s ARE WE SO HANDICAPPED TODAY DAT WE WILL LET OUR LANGUAGE JUST DISSOLVE OUT IN THIN AIR JUST IN SPAN OF 40Yrs?... again ARE the factors dat resulted in demise of those lost languages will have same impact on US?
Now give me a honest answer... Did you ever met a tanii, age>20yrs who confess dat he/she doesnt UNDERSTAND our language??
yes, sudden change in our soceity due to intraction with outer world has led to sudden decline in our languages usage among children... But at the same time they learn it as they grow up.
WHY SO SERIOUS
dinsung
seems like u want 2 prove anyhow dat tanii script will vanish,,. the earthquakes, man made disasters...blah blah blah.... instead why not focus how we can sustain it......
t-rex
light year??
As per i know LIGHT YEAR is a unit of distance... so longevity for 10000 light year doesnt make any sense to me.. in fact m a bit confused.
t-rex
ReplyDeletei know urs ws an output of disillusioned mind... and i didnt took it so seriously...i ws tryn to stress dat,- had u been a bit more practical in ur approach it would hv been fantastic... all my posts--there after-- ws in response to someone else.
dinsung
@ mr. "y so serious"
noted ur point. thank u fr the insights.
t-rex
i hv a knowledge of physics till 12th standard.. And i read dat.. light year is the distance covered by the light in one year... dat would be-- speed of light in vacume multiplied by no. of seconds in a year... correct me if m wrong.
By being more prac. i meant dat year 2050 is just unrealistic for our language to perish considering the stress put on by our people to make it survive.... and thats what i really meant.
t-rex
you mean like GEORGIA AND SOUTH OSSETIA??...
Well i hv my own field of vision and m telling what i see in dat... like wise she hs her own field of vision and c s telling what she sees...
dont feel sorry for jumping in... Actually each n evry individual is gifted with diffrent horizons of ideas and dats why group discussion s so fruitfull...
And dats why democracy rules.
dani
T Rex Said "Now give me a honest answer... Did you ever met a tanii, age>20yrs who confess dat he/she doesnt UNDERSTAND our language??"
Sorry to say I keep meeting such young people more often than not. Just yesterday I was in a friend's place in South Delhi, when three young Apatani ladies dropped in. I tried to chat them up in Apatani and they simply kept giggling, and replied in Hindi that they do not undrestand apatani very well. So, I had to speak in Hindi to make them understand what I wanted to say. Many of my own cousins, nephews and nieces I know have problem understanding our language.
NOT THAT I HATE OR DESPISE PEOPLE WHO CANT SPEAK OR UNDERSTAND APATANI, JUST THAT I WISH MORE PEOPLE WOULD REALISE THE IMPORTANCE SPEAKING IN APAT ATLEAST TO THEIR OWN CHILDREN.
dani
READ
"NOT THAT I HATE OR DESPISE PEOPLE WHO CANT SPEAK OR UNDERSTAND APATANI, JUST THAT I WISH MORE PEOPLE WOULD REALISE THE IMPORTANCE OF PASSING ON OUR LANGUAGE TO OUR CHILDREN FOR THE POSTERITY."
INSTEAD OF
NOT THAT I HATE OR DESPISE PEOPLE WHO CANT SPEAK OR UNDERSTAND APATANI, JUST THAT I WISH MORE PEOPLE WOULD REALISE THE IMPORTANCE SPEAKING IN APAT ATLEAST TO THEIR OWN CHILDREN.
the Luchador
Thumbs up to Mr. Dani. I agree with you in totality. Knowing how to converse in our mother tongue becomes extremely important especially when you are outside Arunachal (or say Ziro-Hapoli) for highier studies or whatever. It helps to communicate with your companion even in public places in most secretive way (albeit it may not look so).
so plz make an effort to converse in our own dialect(it will cost you nothing) even if you gets 'tongue tied', just remember -"practice makes a man perfect"
t-rex
@dani
"....and replied in Hindi that they do not undrestand apatani very well." ... I think this s what those gals said... Please stress upon last two words of the sentence--VERY WELL.
By UNDERSTAND i mean just understanding the language, i didnt mean an expert communicator.
What do u think the gals meant??? For me, it seems they(the gals) DO UNDERSTAND tanii agung but cant reciprocate properly in dat language. And dats what i hv been trying to emphasize... THERE S NO TANII >20yrs WHO DOESNT UNDERSTAND TANII AGUNG. MAY BE HE/SHE S NOT WELL VERSED... MAY BE HE/SHE CANT EXPRESS HIMSELF/HERSELF PROPERLY IN THIS LANGUAGE, BUT THEY DO UNDERSTAND WHAT OTHERS ARE TELLING.
t-rex
ReplyDeleteAnd I say--- AS LONG AS WE R ADHERED TO OUR TRADITIONS AND CULTURE, OUR LANGUAGE ISNT GOING TO DIE. LANGUAGES ARE JUST A PART OF TRADITIONS OR CULTURE.
IT WILL BE USELESS TEACHING LANGUAGE TO CHILDREN WITHOUT EXPOSING THEM TO THE TRADITION AND CULTURE.
FOR ME A LANGUAGE WITHOUT TRADITION/CULTURE S LIKE A BODY WITHOUT SOUL,ie; IT WILL LOOSE ITS IMPORTANCE... AND ULTIMATELY FADE AWAY.
t-rex
... If some one doesnt speak in tanii agung dat doesnt mean dat he/she wont understand u, when u speak in tanii... during my school days i always used hindi to express myself in my social-circle. But dat didnt mean dat i didnt get what others were talking in uru(clans)meetings.
i started appreciating our language after i started understanding our culture... though it s late but m happy dat m in... all those who wants to be a part of our culture hv to learn tanii language, no matter what.
And my experience as well as my observation in CAPITAL COMPLEX points towards this...
and one more thing, boys and gals of capital complex are not as dumb as they r thought to be.
the Luchador
@ t-rex
hime atan mi aga defend miilya tho ah.
t-rex
@loder
hime atang mi defend mima sika ah... ngo misconception miske iche clear mipa mika sidu nii.
tanii
dear all,
hiime atang mi defend tarii miimasa and lupa la tarii lupa masa....mo luka tanii luchiing manii,mokula an-aba tarii equally involve dokii...lets help them understand our culture and mebbe with time,they will also understand the importance of tanii language n culture..:)ngunu akhang atang iche hela nyasa,ichey hembo kodu pa...
WHY SO SERIOUS
tanii is absolutely right........
8/30/08
MMM
i really appreciate u guys.. doing a great job.. on account of modernization one should not forgets his language.. cheers to u guys..
WHY SO SERIOUS
thank u thank u..........
the Luchador
Belunku, hii hela hime atan hii time aalyi ho hela nyasu donya. Tagii sanii bo tagii nyado. Hojalopa koda hime tonge si gordu anya mapa danya da. Mo lumi boghbon yapun hokii beri siida jalopa upai miila kema pa danya da.
the Luchador
Belunku, hii hela hime atan hii time aalyi ho hela nyasu donya. Tagii sanii bo tagii nyado. Hojalopa koda hime tonge si gordu anya mapa danya da. Mo lumi boghbon yapun hokii beri siida jalopa upai miila kema pa danya da.
Gyayu...
Understand'
yes we shouldn't forget our culture, language...and never ever think of avoiding it...
but Really WHAT IF the children..was in hostel far away from home....very far ...... nd
have to come home once a year for just 2-3 weeks...and go..back...wuuuf whats his
mistake ...Yaar
♫ÒÓmĬĘ♫
ReplyDeleteyea I agree too...its very important to know one's language. I have been in hostel's far away since I was in nursery.....but I have managed to stay in touch with my language.....although it might not be perfect !!
the Luchador
staying in boarding school cannot be an excuse, there should be zeal to learn.
rest are taakin' kaeen siike'!
Gyayu...
Am not talking about myself...am talking in GNRL..
Mr. L
ok'
have you ever learned sanskrit??? even if you didnt....take it as an xample...
you learn it and even you were good in it...but you never get to practice it in your day
to day life...how can you be perfect....
even if you learn but you never get any1 to get any conversation..or talk into...,
you can never feel confident to talk, even if you know everything...
and whose making ...excuses???? am talking about perfectness...????
we must not make...any comment on them..all we have to do...is just stay calm..
1 day ...they ll come to learn it soon...'
the Luchador
@ Lawrence
iam not pointing at you or anyone specific.
i studied sanskrit subject during my school days. but i feel that comparision between it and our mother tongue is not possible. i think you should go through this forum, you will find that how some people are making an effort to learn and preserve our dialect inspite of them staying away 'very far away from home'. its all about zeal, interest and outlook.
we should exhort our younger generation to learn the dialects; and this should begin from within family itself. now a days there is very little place where we can't find two person belonging to same community. See up, what Oomieleven has to write! i know her very well and what she has written is very true, no disputes about it.
confidence is all about mental status...part of human trait. so, cant help it.
and, nobody is or can be perfect!!!!! so, its not an issue.
Daachan
ReplyDeleteAyah !... Hender laku make, unga atan si tanii agun luko ho tachin maan chikan halying agun adin luto kula. Mo lumi mi tader dopa ludu kupa haliang agun pa ludo pa compel doke (so lusu masa!). Omlelevan ludiko luma sippea la henka doka ah. Saying about preserving tanii language is not bad but i'm fail i must say(its different practically) not easy as easy as you all think. {miilan kaka siisa ah !} Sorry.
the Luchador
ZEAL ZEAL ZEAL ZEAL TO LEARN!!!!!!
Gyayu...
Everybodys Zealing!
yaa....i know dat perfectness is not an issue...niether it was not meant...to be..'
and no one cud ever..be PERFECt..and i aplze for using the term perfect...'
but i only mean to say that people cant really come to know..to learn everytime...
and i agree with Friend Phugang....what he told about the business and about
thier(kids) hectic schedule.....but i saw they try somehow...'
And actually about the every grown up knows our dialect, understand but due to lack
of conversation made them hard to say anything infront of anyone.....and like friend
OOmIeLeVen everybody is zealing yaar...
so we donot blame anyone...and someone says time
makes everything alright...let thier time come....'
the Luchador
ha ha ha ha ha ha....
everyone is going ballistic.lol
but i like this kind of conversation- constructive in nature; with no hard feelings because it is only a discussion.
do correct me whenever iam wrong!
♫ÒÓmĬĘ♫
hahahaha hail to the zealingness of everyone !!
Daachan
Simi kapa nyadua ?
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http://www.arunachaldiary.com/2009/02/apatani-dictionary-review.html
dinsung
am back!
it's good to be back after a hiatus...
this thread is going great guns!!! so, i conclude that the people are willing to learn apatani language and keep it alive. i also conclude that the people should stop playing the blame game and start rectifying the wrong.
and yes, mr loder...
it is simply great that people are participating in this debate with no hard feelings.. :)
and yes, we will correct u if u go wrong..!!! :)
NB. 12th February 2009.
This was the last post. No one posted after dinsung concluded it. Don’t whether all the participants decided to abide by dinsung’s surmise or they were simply tired by now. But then, it was the most intellectually stimulating discussion among apatani youngsters. It was spontaneous and serious. Looking forward to another such discussion.
You may perhaps pick up the thread from where these youngsters left it and start anew and infuse new vigour among the intellectually hungry minds of youngsters.
Abang Tago,
ReplyDeleteThe intent of producing above verbatim transcript of the discussion was to appraise those who have not joined the orkut may that there is a very strong current flowing among the youngsters about necessity of preserving our dialogue.
We may try to facilitate such a way to their desire by creating conducive atmoshpere at home and in society.
This has been discussed from various angles by the paricipants.. We can continue from where they left.